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Quentin Collins plothole?
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omnidragon
2009-11-14 22:28:57 UTC
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Didn't notice it the first time but


Quentin made immortal by painting.

Painting destroyed by fire.

Barnabas orders Painting done again for Quentin.

Painter refuses and leaves.

Quentin shows up alive and with painting.

plothole.........First painting gone and with no 2nd one
done.................................???
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2009-11-15 02:27:43 UTC
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Graeme
2009-11-19 18:54:41 UTC
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Post by omnidragon
Didn't notice it the first time but
Quentin made immortal by painting.
Painting destroyed by fire.
Barnabas orders Painting done again for Quentin.
Painter refuses and leaves.
Quentin shows up alive and with painting.
plothole.........First painting gone and with no 2nd one
done.................................???
No plothole. The original painting had not been destroyed in the
fire, they were mistaken in thinking it had been. They finally found
it hidden behind another painting in 1969.

The replacement painting wasn't for Quentin, it was for Chris
Jennings. He did finally twist Tate's arm enough to get him to paint
one, but it didn't work. Petofi had taken the power away from Tate as
punishment back in 1897. Chris changed into the wolf that walks like
a man but was made for a woman right after Tate finished painting it,
and... well, let's just say it wasn't pretty. One of those rare times
that they actually got the fake blood out.
Joe
2009-11-20 15:11:33 UTC
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Post by Graeme
Post by omnidragon
Didn't notice it the first time but
Quentin made immortal by painting.
Painting destroyed by fire.
Barnabas orders Painting done again for Quentin.
Painter refuses and leaves.
Quentin shows up alive and with painting.
plothole.........First painting gone and with no 2nd one
done.................................???
No plothole. The original painting had not been destroyed in the
fire, they were mistaken in thinking it had been. They finally found
it hidden behind another painting in 1969.
The replacement painting wasn't for Quentin, it was for Chris
Jennings. He did finally twist Tate's arm enough to get him to paint
one, but it didn't work. Petofi had taken the power away from Tate as
punishment back in 1897. Chris changed into the wolf that walks like
a man but was made for a woman right after Tate finished painting it,
and... well, let's just say it wasn't pretty. One of those rare times
that they actually got the fake blood out.
Was the fate of Petofi ever determined? Sort of hinted he was in a
fire but was not confirmed later that he was actually gone
Graeme
2009-11-24 20:57:06 UTC
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Was the fate of Petofi ever determined?  Sort of hinted he was in a
fire but was not confirmed later that he was actually gone
No, they kept it open for a possible sequel. All they found in the
burned out house was his glasses. Like Burke, they killed him in a
Soap Opera "Maybe Not" kind of way.
Joe
2009-11-26 05:22:30 UTC
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Post by Graeme
Was the fate of Petofi ever determined?  Sort of hinted he was in a
fire but was not confirmed later that he was actually gone
No, they kept it open for a possible sequel. All they found in the
burned out house was his glasses. Like Burke, they killed him in a
Soap Opera "Maybe Not" kind of way.
Interesting. Why no follow up story? He was one of my favorite
characters during the entire run of the show. Would have been nice to
see him in another storyline
omnidragon
2009-11-27 22:59:00 UTC
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Was the fate of Petofi ever determined?  Sort of hinted he was in a
fire but was not confirmed later that he was actually gone
No, they kept it open for a possible sequel.  All they found in the
burned out house was his glasses.  Like Burke, they killed him in a
Soap Opera "Maybe Not" kind of way.
Interesting.  Why no follow up story? He was one of my favorite
characters during the entire run of the show. Would have been nice to
see him in another storyline
I once read a interview with Dan Curtis and he said that if the show
had gone on..........

Adam and Petofi were going to return as well as Barbabas and Julia
were going to get married.
Joe
2009-11-29 03:39:43 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:59:00 -0800 (PST), omnidragon
Post by omnidragon
Was the fate of Petofi ever determined?  Sort of hinted he was in a
fire but was not confirmed later that he was actually gone
No, they kept it open for a possible sequel.  All they found in the
burned out house was his glasses.  Like Burke, they killed him in a
Soap Opera "Maybe Not" kind of way.
Interesting.  Why no follow up story? He was one of my favorite
characters during the entire run of the show. Would have been nice to
see him in another storyline
I once read a interview with Dan Curtis and he said that if the show
had gone on..........
Adam and Petofi were going to return as well as Barbabas and Julia
were going to get married.
Hadnt Dan Curtis abandoned the show way before the end? He went on to
Night Stalker and other stuff. Have heard the Adam and Barnabas thing
before. Would have been interesting to see if they were going to have
the same actor protray Adam. Would have loved to see Petofi return.
Probably would have been the same actor.
Graeme
2009-12-01 22:45:50 UTC
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Post by omnidragon
I once read a interview with Dan Curtis and he said that if the show
had gone on..........
Adam and Petofi were going to return as well as Barbabas and Julia
were going to get married.
I think that interview was just their attempt to tie up the loose ends
for the viewers into some kind of conclusion, and not necessarily what
they would have done had the show gone on.

Years later, Joan Bennett started saying Liz was Vicki's mother, but
that wasn't the direction they were going in the show. When that
plotline was dropped they'd been hinting that Vicki's mother was Betty
Hanscomb, with the vague implication that her father was Paul Stoddard
(although Roger was another possibility). Of course they also say
that when Alexandra was hired, they liked her resemblance to Joan
Bennett, but they hadn't insisted that the Vicki character look like
her. Nancy Barrett had auditioned for the role too, and she looks
nothing like Liz.
Graeme
2009-12-01 22:35:19 UTC
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Interesting.  Why no follow up story? He was one of my favorite
characters during the entire run of the show. Would have been nice to
see him in another storyline
They probably just never got around to it. The Leviathan Story was
overburdoned as it was with filling up plot ends from 1897. They
probably wanted to give Petofi another storyline of his own rather
than a bit part in that one. Next was Parallel Time, where they did
make Thayer one of the heavies. But since it was Parallel Time, they
probably wanted him to be Parallel Eliot, rather than Parallel Petofi
(since Normal Time Petofi was already a heavy). Then they brought in
James Storm as Gerard, then off to 1840, where they revisited so many
successful plot lines of the past, but not that one (a prequel with
Petofi would be hard to do since before he got his hand back, he
didn't really have a leg to stand on). Then 1841 Parallel Time, and
Thayer wasn't in it at all until the last episode. Come to think of
it, he wasn't around for 1840 much either. He came back to the past
and then promptly disappeared until the last episode. Maybe Thayer
was just busy in real life at that time.

All these are guesses, but the bottom line to why they never did
another Petofi story is that they just didn't get around to it.
Joe
2009-12-02 05:04:49 UTC
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Post by Graeme
Interesting.  Why no follow up story? He was one of my favorite
characters during the entire run of the show. Would have been nice to
see him in another storyline
They probably just never got around to it. The Leviathan Story was
overburdoned as it was with filling up plot ends from 1897. They
probably wanted to give Petofi another storyline of his own rather
than a bit part in that one. Next was Parallel Time, where they did
make Thayer one of the heavies. But since it was Parallel Time, they
probably wanted him to be Parallel Eliot, rather than Parallel Petofi
(since Normal Time Petofi was already a heavy). Then they brought in
James Storm as Gerard, then off to 1840, where they revisited so many
successful plot lines of the past, but not that one (a prequel with
Petofi would be hard to do since before he got his hand back, he
didn't really have a leg to stand on). Then 1841 Parallel Time, and
Thayer wasn't in it at all until the last episode. Come to think of
it, he wasn't around for 1840 much either. He came back to the past
and then promptly disappeared until the last episode. Maybe Thayer
was just busy in real life at that time.
All these are guesses, but the bottom line to why they never did
another Petofi story is that they just didn't get around to it.
Interesting post. Parallel Time Thayer heavy? Sort of light heavy.
Not nearly as evil or interesting as Petofi. I guess they wanted to
recycle stuff that had worked. The vampire story is what put the show
over the top. To get rid of that made no sense. Yes Frid didnt want
to do it any more. So what. Get someone else to did it. an
interesting vampire like Quentin was an interesting ghost and
werewolf.
Graeme
2009-12-02 14:47:16 UTC
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Interesting post.  Parallel Time Thayer heavy?  Sort of light heavy.
Not nearly as evil or interesting as Petofi.
Not as interesting as Petofi, granted, but I found Parallel Eliot
Stokes to be kind of interesting. He was kind of a grungier, slobbier
version of Profesor Stokes (like a cross between Professor Stokes and
Matthew Morgan). Petfoi was more like what Professor Stokes would be
if he were Evil. Parallel Stokes had the professor's education and
intelligence, but in a kind of Homer Simpson way. Intelligent and
repulsive at the same time. And the whole story had the same kind of
absurdity we had with Dr. Lang (a normal doctor working in a hospital
who does Mad Science in his spare time). The whole thing was
delightfully absurd. A guy who dabbles in the occult has a death in
the family, so he does what any kook would do: work Black Magic to
bring her back to life the minute somebody touches her... in her
grave. In real life he'd have been waiting a long time, but on TV, it
happens sooner than you think. So she's alive again, but cause he got
his magic from a discount house in Hoboken, she can only stay that way
by sucking body heat out of random people every couple of episodes. I
wish I could make that stuff up myself.

And Angelique is a powerful witch, and her father is a powerful mad
scientist but their whole lievs are overturned because Roger (in all
universes, a guy with no particular abilities or power) had an
unrequited crush on her and killed her with a hatpin. It's so goofy
that I love it.

But I refuse to believe Stokes could have fathered two women who look
like Lara Parker. Even with magic that ain't possible.
Graeme
2009-12-02 14:55:24 UTC
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Post by Joe
The vampire story is what put the show
over the top.  To get rid of that made no sense. Yes Frid didnt want
to do it any more. So what. Get someone else to did it.
Well, they did. After 1795, when Barnabas is non-vampiric for about
150 straight episodes, Angelique was the vampire for a lot of that
time. And in true DS fashion, it had its hilarious moments. Like
when she wakes up in her coffin the first time and has this startled
look on her face like She's afraid she's in college and this is some
prank her sorority sisters are playing on her. and then they'd have
these little poignant bits like the time she sat up in her coffin and
you could see she'd been holding a rose in her hands all day.

There were other times when they had no vampire at all, but that was
usually when they were trying to focus on something else, like the
werewolf plot, or building Adam out of spare parts.

When 1897 started, Barnabas had actually been NON-vampiric longer than
he'd been a vampire. After this, he's a vampire for almost all the
rest of the series, except for a brief break at the end of 1897 and
the beginning of the Leviathan Story, until he's cured for the final
time near the end of 1840. After that, Frid didn't want to play the
vampire any more, but on previous occasions when Barnabas had been
human, I doubt it had ever been intended to be permanent.
Joe
2009-12-03 04:46:11 UTC
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Post by Graeme
Post by Joe
The vampire story is what put the show
over the top.  To get rid of that made no sense. Yes Frid didnt want
to do it any more. So what. Get someone else to did it.
Well, they did. After 1795, when Barnabas is non-vampiric for about
150 straight episodes, Angelique was the vampire for a lot of that
time. And in true DS fashion, it had its hilarious moments. Like
when she wakes up in her coffin the first time and has this startled
look on her face like She's afraid she's in college and this is some
prank her sorority sisters are playing on her. and then they'd have
these little poignant bits like the time she sat up in her coffin and
you could see she'd been holding a rose in her hands all day.
There were other times when they had no vampire at all, but that was
usually when they were trying to focus on something else, like the
werewolf plot, or building Adam out of spare parts.
When 1897 started, Barnabas had actually been NON-vampiric longer than
he'd been a vampire. After this, he's a vampire for almost all the
rest of the series, except for a brief break at the end of 1897 and
the beginning of the Leviathan Story, until he's cured for the final
time near the end of 1840. After that, Frid didn't want to play the
vampire any more, but on previous occasions when Barnabas had been
human, I doubt it had ever been intended to be permanent.
Were not the other vampires very temporary? And probably intended
that way. I dont think the fans tired of vampire Barnabas. Frid did.
Maybe that would have saved the show. Maybe not. When the producer
moved on that was probably enough to can it.
Graeme
2009-12-04 22:06:34 UTC
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Were not the other vampires very temporary?  And probably intended
that way.
Hard to know what they were thinking, but yeah they were probably
always intended to be temporary. But the whole wrinkle of the Adam
Story was that Adam being alive kept Barnabas from being a vampire.
So you pretty much have to keep Barnabas non-vampiric for the entire
story. With Nicholas as the Head Witch, I guess it was superfluous to
have Angelique as a witch too, so they demoted her to Replacement
Vampire (and honestly she made a pretty good one). Megan Todd, and
Tom Jennings were probably never intended to be permanent. Not sure
where they were going with Roxanne, though. She was alive in 1970,
which made you think she was going to survive 1840, but then she got
staked by Goober's brother, with no explanation ever given of how that
changed the future.
Joe
2009-12-05 14:35:12 UTC
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Post by Graeme
Were not the other vampires very temporary?  And probably intended
that way.
Hard to know what they were thinking, but yeah they were probably
always intended to be temporary. But the whole wrinkle of the Adam
Story was that Adam being alive kept Barnabas from being a vampire.
So you pretty much have to keep Barnabas non-vampiric for the entire
story. With Nicholas as the Head Witch, I guess it was superfluous to
have Angelique as a witch too, so they demoted her to Replacement
Vampire (and honestly she made a pretty good one). Megan Todd, and
Tom Jennings were probably never intended to be permanent. Not sure
where they were going with Roxanne, though. She was alive in 1970,
which made you think she was going to survive 1840, but then she got
staked by Goober's brother, with no explanation ever given of how that
changed the future.
Did Roxanne's body rot after staking? If not then if someone removed
the stake wouldnt she return to life? Didnt that happen to one of the
DS characters? So she could be brought back.

I never really understood the Roxanne thing. Wasnt she a none vampire
in 1970? I thought someone turned her into a vampire. So what is the
big deal with her dying in 1840?
Graeme
2009-12-07 20:33:19 UTC
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Did Roxanne's body rot after staking?  If not then if someone removed
the stake wouldnt she return to life?  Didnt that happen to one of the
DS characters?  So she could be brought back.
Nope, she wasn't staked. She evaporated completely after being
exposed to sunlight. No body left at all.
I never really understood the Roxanne thing.  Wasnt she a none vampire
in 1970?  I thought someone turned her into a vampire.  So what is the
big deal with her dying in 1840?
Parallel Time Roxanne was a non-vampire in 1970. Normal Time Roxanne
seemed not to be one either, but it eventually came out that she had
been one from long before the first time she and Barnabas met.
Joe
2009-12-08 05:13:36 UTC
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Post by Graeme
Did Roxanne's body rot after staking?  If not then if someone removed
the stake wouldnt she return to life?  Didnt that happen to one of the
DS characters?  So she could be brought back.
Nope, she wasn't staked. She evaporated completely after being
exposed to sunlight. No body left at all.
I never really understood the Roxanne thing.  Wasnt she a none vampire
in 1970?  I thought someone turned her into a vampire.  So what is the
big deal with her dying in 1840?
Parallel Time Roxanne was a non-vampire in 1970. Normal Time Roxanne
seemed not to be one either, but it eventually came out that she had
been one from long before the first time she and Barnabas met.
Where on the next can I find the episode summary that talks about the
above events.

dbwindhorst
2009-12-03 12:45:50 UTC
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Interesting.  Why no follow up story? He was one of my favorite
characters during the entire run of the show. Would have been nice to
see him in another storyline
They probably just never got around to it.  The Leviathan Story was
overburdoned as it was with filling up plot ends from 1897.  They
probably wanted to give Petofi another storyline of his own rather
than a bit part in that one.  Next was Parallel Time, where they did
make Thayer one of the heavies.  But since it was Parallel Time, they
probably wanted him to be Parallel Eliot, rather than Parallel Petofi
(since Normal Time Petofi was already a heavy).  Then they brought in
James Storm as Gerard, then off to 1840, where they revisited so many
successful plot lines of the past, but not that one (a prequel with
Petofi would be hard to do since before he got his hand back, he
didn't really have a leg to stand on).
Well, there's you new (old) plot, then, for 1840:

The Leg of Count Petofi

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