DARK SHADOWS question

[crossposted to alt.tv.dark_shadows]

That was the set up for the 1880's (I think) storyline in which
Barnabus used the I-Ching to time-travel in order to stop Quintin
from becoming a ghost and killing David Collins. One of the best
story lines they did.

I dunno, sounds more like an early Leviathan setup to me. I don't recall
David killing much or ordering people killed,

That's why I leaned towards the Leviathan story, too. Although
David did cause Roger to fall down a flight of stairs at the
behest of Quentin's ghost, he just saw it as a game and was
genuinely distraught when he realized his father could have been
seriously injured or even died. That's the point at which he and
Amy became scared of Quentin and began to resist him.

and he's the one who did
most of the sneaking through Collinwood's wall tunnels.
Hey DrSmith, what color was the evil kid's hair?

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The Space Boss

2005-07-13 06:01:38 UTC

Post by Jim Heckman
[crossposted to alt.tv.dark_shadows]

I dunno, sounds more like an early Leviathan setup to me. I don't recall
David killing much or ordering people killed,

and he's the one who did
most of the sneaking through Collinwood's wall tunnels.
Hey DrSmith, what color was the evil kid's hair?

The evil boy's hair was platinum blonde

Captain Infinity

2005-07-13 10:57:16 UTC

Post by The Space Boss

Hey DrSmith, what color was the evil kid's hair?

The evil boy's hair was platinum blonde

Definitely the Leviathan storyline, then, episodes 886-980. Barnabas is
(temporarily) put in thrall by a bunch of demon worshippers who bring
forth a creature that is never seen but sounds like a rusty radiator.
Hokey. It soon takes the form of a human, grows quickly from a baby,
through the evil kid, to a very bad adult actor. He does bad things for
a while and then eventually falls in love with Carolyn. I won't tell you
how it ends but it ends none too soon.

It's not really a plot arc you'd want to seek out; DS did many better
stories. Many people consider the Leviathan story Dark Shadows' "jump
the shark" moment. If you really need to see it, it's on DVD collection
19, available here and elsewhere: http://www.darkshadowsdvd.com/dvd.asp

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Wayne Brown

2005-07-13 17:54:11 UTC

Post by Captain Infinity
It's not really a plot arc you'd want to seek out; DS did many better
stories. Many people consider the Leviathan story Dark Shadows' "jump
the shark" moment. If you really need to see it, it's on DVD collection
19, available here and elsewhere: http://www.darkshadowsdvd.com/dvd.asp

I was just a kid when "Dark Shadows" originally aired, and I *loved* it
(I ran home every day from junior high school to see it). It was the show
everybody talked about next day at school. But I can remember that, even
at that tender age, I thought the Leviathan stories were really *stupid*.

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ANIM8Rfsk

2005-07-13 20:50:48 UTC

Whenever one of the other kids was sick, when they came back everybody would
ask them what was on Dark Shadows.

Annoyingly they changed it's time here in the summer, so in the summer it
was on like at 4:30 in the afternoon, and in the non-summer it was on at 1
or 2 or something. If they'd reversed that we'd have watched it all year
long.

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2005-07-14 15:53:52 UTC

Post by ANIM8Rfsk
Whenever one of the other kids was sick, when they came back everybody would
ask them what was on Dark Shadows.
Annoyingly they changed it's time here in the summer, so in the summer it
was on like at 4:30 in the afternoon, and in the non-summer it was on at 1
or 2 or something. If they'd reversed that we'd have watched it all year
long.

Where I grew up (Portsmouth, Virginia) it was on at just the right time
for me to catch it when I got home from school. (I'd usually see about
the last ten minutes of "Ryan's Hope" while waiting for "Dark Shadows"
to come on. When "Voyager" premiered and everyone else was saying,
"The captain is Mrs. Columbo!" I was saying, "No, that's Mary Ryan." :-)

During the last season or so of "Dark Shadows" the local station
replaced it with something else in the afternoon. But they taped each
week's episodes and showed them back-to-back, commercials and all,
late Friday night. It was fun to watch a whole week's worth at a time,
and made continuity errors between episodes even more obvious. It was
especially interesting to see the closing scene of a show, then see it
repeated a few moments later at the opening of the next episode with
the actors in different positions or speaking slightly different lines.

Turk

2005-07-14 16:53:40 UTC

The funny thing about this thread is that I actually remember these
plotlines, and I watched DS when I was in elementary school. I'd run
home from school and catch it at 4 o'clock or so in New York. Talk
about addiction. For me, the toughest thing was that my family would
go away for the whole summer, and I would have no access to US tv. So
when I came back, there would be a wholly different plotline running.
I still recall coming back to their Frankenstein-like story with
"Adam"(?). And I Ching? I don't think I have heard that phrase
uttered in thirty years.

Turk

Deborah G. Buckner

2005-07-14 19:23:51 UTC

Post by Turk
The funny thing about this thread is that I actually remember these
plotlines, and I watched DS when I was in elementary school. I'd run
home from school and catch it at 4 o'clock or so in New York. Talk
about addiction. For me, the toughest thing was that my family would
go away for the whole summer, and I would have no access to US tv. So
when I came back, there would be a wholly different plotline running.
I still recall coming back to their Frankenstein-like story with
"Adam"(?). And I Ching? I don't think I have heard that phrase
uttered in thirty years.
Turk

I remember going to spend a couple of weeks with my grandparents in the
summer. One year, their ABC affiliate was a week ahead in the DS
episodes. I watched everyday at Grandma's, and then, when I got home, I
saw the same episodes again (but had missed the ones that came just
before them).

Deb

jberger

2005-07-14 21:27:27 UTC

Post by Deborah G. Buckner

I used to watch it during my high school years... running home like so many
of us (except I had to take a NY Subway from Manhattan and then catch the
Pioneer Bus from Kings Highway to Mill Basin [Brooklyn].... more than an
hour trip, so I missed the first 15-25 minutes).

Summer was best because I was able to watch the entire show.

However, there were those times when the folks decided to take us on a
family trip or two. Let me tell you, reception in the Catskills was not very
good at that time unless you had a 20-foot antenna on top of the highest
hill (trying to catch a New York City signal because it did not air
locally).

I was one of those geeks that had a portable TV and battery pack, so road
trips were spent trying to catch signals. Traveling east from Connecticut
toward Rhode Island, I happened on an interesting phenomenon. I had missed
the previous day's show, but somehow caught it during one part of the trip
and when we headed toward Rhode Island, caught that day's show.

On a side topic, did anyone ever luck into a TV signal with a small
transister radio (at the far end of the dial)? Happened my Freshman year at
college. The same TV that got me through those summers in high school found
its way in my dorm room, but the wiring to the speaker was screwed up and I
didn't have a soldering iron at my ready disposal. Lucky me! Discovered my
transister radio got at least two of the three major stations and was able
to watch the screen and match it with the sound from the radio.

D***@webtv.net

2005-07-15 01:35:09 UTC

Post by Deborah G. Buckner
I remember going to spend a couple of
weeks with my grandparents in the
summer. One year, their ABC affiliate
was a week ahead in the DS episodes. I
watched everyday at Grandma's, and
then, when I got home, I saw the same
episodes again (but had missed the
ones that came just before them).

I remember going to a family friend's house one afternoon and watching
DS. They had a color TV, while we still had a black and white set.
There was a scene where Barnabas (I believe) attacked someone, and I
never forgot how vividly bright red the blood on her neck was.

I also recall one time watching a very dramatic scene, while my mother
was unrolling my curlers and brushing out my hair, and at one point I
jumped, which led to a firm yank on my hair as it got caught in the
brush. Ouch...

And in high school, having rediscovered DS all over again when a local
TV station began showing late-night reruns, a friend and I would chat
about the previous night's show in class the next day. They were
showing the 1795 storyline, and the next day after the devastating ep
with so many exciting and dramatic occurances, culminating with Josette
falling to her death from Widow's Hill, my friend told me she had missed
it. Sensing my unbearable excitement, she asked me what happened.
"Everything!" I breathlessly replied! :)

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ANIM8Rfsk

2005-07-14 17:47:51 UTC

Post by Wayne Brown
During the last season or so of "Dark Shadows" the local station
replaced it with something else in the afternoon. But they taped each
week's episodes and showed them back-to-back, commercials and all,
late Friday night. It was fun to watch a whole week's worth at a time,
and made continuity errors between episodes even more obvious. It was
especially interesting to see the closing scene of a show, then see it
repeated a few moments later at the opening of the next episode with
the actors in different positions or speaking slightly different lines.

Okay, now that would have been cool. And smart.

Although Saturday morning might have been an even better time slot.

Graeme

2005-07-18 17:28:27 UTC

It was especially interesting to see the closing scene of a show, then see it

repeated a few moments later at the opening of the next episode with
the actors in different positions or speaking slightly different lines.
Or sometimes even using different props. I remember in the cliffhanger
where Petentin and Evan Hanley were trying to bushwhack Quentofi to get
Quentin's mind back into his own body, Evan seats Petentin down in a
chair at the end of one episode, then seats him down in a totally
different looking chair at the beginning of the next one.

For most of the pre-Barns they didn't replay the last scene of the
previous episode.

William George Ferguson

2005-07-18 08:12:35 UTC

Whenever one of the other kids was sick, when they came back everybody would
ask them what was on Dark Shadows.
Annoyingly they changed it's time here in the summer, so in the summer it
was on like at 4:30 in the afternoon, and in the non-summer it was on at 1
or 2 or something. If they'd reversed that we'd have watched it all year
long.

If you were already in Arizona then, that was the Daylight Savings time
thingy. It bumped the daytime programming time an hour in the summer,
because, except for one year, we didn't go on DST and still don't (there's
something about it still being light outside and the temperature still
being over 100 at 10pm that is just discouraging).

It was on at 3:30 during the school year. I was a Senior at Scottsdale
High (the late, lamented) when it first came on, and I would hurry home
from school to catch it. The next year I was at ASU, and I'd watch it in
the tv room in the Memorial Union building.

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ANIM8Rfsk

2005-07-18 20:11:28 UTC

Post by William George Ferguson

Whenever one of the other kids was sick, when they came back everybody would
ask them what was on Dark Shadows.
Annoyingly they changed it's time here in the summer, so in the summer it
was on like at 4:30 in the afternoon, and in the non-summer it was on at 1
or 2 or something. If they'd reversed that we'd have watched it all year
long.

yeah. I went and got the mail Saturday night about 10:00 and came
staggering back gasping and then found out it was still 105 out there.

Of course, if we did DSL, it would be 105 at 11, right? So it would be
WORSE.

Post by William George Ferguson
It was on at 3:30 during the school year. I was a Senior at Scottsdale
High (the late, lamented) when it first came on, and I would hurry home
from school to catch it. The next year I was at ASU, and I'd watch it in
the tv room in the Memorial Union building.

Ah, Scottsdale, our ancient enemy (Arcadia grad here).

Dark Shadows was off by the time I got to ASU and watched TV in the MU. :-(

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Bill Steele

2005-07-19 18:33:31 UTC

Dan Curtis once said Dark Shadows was the great borrower of story lines.
When they ran out of old Universal horror movies they started going
downhill.

Post by Wayne Brown
I was just a kid when "Dark Shadows" originally aired, and I *loved* it
(I ran home every day from junior high school to see it). It was the show
everybody talked about next day at school.

I was working for a living. Once in while I'd be home sick or on a
holiday and catch an episode, and I didn't have much trouble following
what was going on, because the story moved so slowly. Which I guess was
typical of most soaps in those days.

My favorite moment of all was when somebody got walled up in the
basement (see note about borrowing) and was moanimg about being all
alone when a stagehand walked through the scene.

ANIM8Rfsk

2005-07-20 01:50:34 UTC

Post by Bill Steele

Dan Curtis once said Dark Shadows was the great borrower of story lines.
When they ran out of old Universal horror movies they started going
downhill.

Nah. They never did the Mummy did they? Or the Creature from the Black
Lagoon?

Post by Bill Steele

I was working for a living. Once in while I'd be home sick or on a
holiday and catch an episode, and I didn't have much trouble following
what was going on, because the story moved so slowly. Which I guess was
typical of most soaps in those days.
My favorite moment of all was when somebody got walled up in the
basement (see note about borrowing) and was moanimg about being all
alone when a stagehand walked through the scene.

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number and refuse to remove you from their calling list (they will give you
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website is phony). This has been going on for a decade. Do not deal with
them.

FredHerring

2005-07-22 09:12:19 UTC

Post by Bill Steele
Dan Curtis once said Dark Shadows was the great borrower of story lines.
When they ran out of old Universal horror movies they started going
downhill.

<<Nah. They never did the Mummy did they? Or the Creature from the
Black
Lagoon?>>

or the Invisible Man. Well, maybe they did and I just didn't see it.

Wind River

2005-07-22 11:23:38 UTC

Post by FredHerring

Post by Bill Steele
Dan Curtis once said Dark Shadows was the great borrower of story lines.
When they ran out of old Universal horror movies they started going
downhill.

<<Nah. They never did the Mummy did they? Or the Creature from the
Black
Lagoon?>>
or the Invisible Man. Well, maybe they did and I just didn't see it.

I think they should have done attacking aliens. They could have borrowed
the burning paper plate footage used in "Plan 9 From Outer Space".

-WR

Marcovaldo

2005-07-23 05:12:34 UTC

Post by FredHerring

Post by Bill Steele
Dan Curtis once said Dark Shadows was the great borrower of story lines.
When they ran out of old Universal horror movies they started going
downhill.

<<Nah. They never did the Mummy did they? Or the Creature from the
Black
Lagoon?>>
or the Invisible Man. Well, maybe they did and I just didn't see it.

The Collins family never even got to meet Abbott and Costello.

David Windhorst

2005-07-23 14:10:25 UTC

Post by FredHerring

Post by Bill Steele
Dan Curtis once said Dark Shadows was the great borrower of story lines.
When they ran out of old Universal horror movies they started going
downhill.

<<Nah. They never did the Mummy did they? Or the Creature from the
Black
Lagoon?>>
or the Invisible Man. Well, maybe they did and I just didn't see it.

The Collins family never even got to meet Abbott and Costello.

They did, however, encounter a hammer or two.

Ubiquitous

2005-08-03 21:29:19 UTC

Post by Bill Steele
Dan Curtis once said Dark Shadows was the great borrower of story lines.
When they ran out of old Universal horror movies they started going
downhill.

I never heard that before, but they did start to get obvious in their
recycling, didn't they? Didn't someone from the show make a web page
containg crude outlines for eps that would have followed, had the show
not been cancelled?

Post by Bill Steele
My favorite moment of all was when somebody got walled up in the
basement (see note about borrowing) and was moanimg about being all
alone when a stagehand walked through the scene.

I'm torn between Jonathon picking his nose and changing out of his costume.

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2005-08-03 22:36:10 UTC

Post by Bill Steele
Dan Curtis once said Dark Shadows was the great borrower of story lines.
When they ran out of old Universal horror movies they started going
downhill.

I'm torn between Jonathon picking his nose and changing out of his costume.

Picking his nose? On one of the episodes?

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Captain Infinity

2005-08-04 00:30:44 UTC

I'm torn between Jonathon picking his nose and changing out of his costume.

Picking his nose? On one of the episodes?

Yep. The camera is close-up on him for an extended shot and whoops!
finger goes right up the nose. It's quick but it's hilarious.

**
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ANIM8Rfsk

2005-08-04 02:36:05 UTC

I'm torn between Jonathon picking his nose and changing out of his costume.

Picking his nose? On one of the episodes?

Yep. The camera is close-up on him for an extended shot and whoops!
finger goes right up the nose. It's quick but it's hilarious.
**
Captain Infinity

Maybe he had a nosebleed . . .

Captain Infinity

2005-08-04 02:39:13 UTC

I'm torn between Jonathon picking his nose and changing out of his costume.

Picking his nose? On one of the episodes?

Yep. The camera is close-up on him for an extended shot and whoops!
finger goes right up the nose. It's quick but it's hilarious.

Maybe he had a nosebleed . . .

Nope, he was clearly mining for gold.

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MDS*

2005-08-04 02:46:44 UTC

I'm torn between Jonathon picking his nose and changing out of his costume.

Picking his nose? On one of the episodes?

Yep. The camera is close-up on him for an extended shot and whoops!
finger goes right up the nose. It's quick but it's hilarious.

Maybe he had a nosebleed . . .

Nope, he was clearly mining for gold.
**
Captain Infinity

ROFL!! What episode does that appear in?

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ANIM8Rfsk

2005-08-04 03:06:29 UTC

I'm torn between Jonathon picking his nose and changing out of his costume.

Picking his nose? On one of the episodes?

Yep. The camera is close-up on him for an extended shot and whoops!
finger goes right up the nose. It's quick but it's hilarious.

Maybe he had a nosebleed . . .

Nope, he was clearly mining for gold.
**
Captain Infinity

ah, but for a vampire, blood IS gold.

MDS*

2005-08-04 03:26:39 UTC

I'm torn between Jonathon picking his nose and changing out of his costume.

Picking his nose? On one of the episodes?

Yep. The camera is close-up on him for an extended shot and whoops!
finger goes right up the nose. It's quick but it's hilarious.

Maybe he had a nosebleed . . .

Nope, he was clearly mining for gold.
**
Captain Infinity

ah, but for a vampire, blood IS gold.

Hahaha!!!!! He has a point!

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Bill Steele

2005-08-04 20:25:52 UTC

Post by Ubiquitous
I'm torn between Jonathon picking his nose and changing out of his costume.

Picking his nose? On one of the episodes?

Yep. The camera is close-up on him for an extended shot and whoops!
finger goes right up the nose. It's quick but it's hilarious.
**
Captain Infinity

Maybe he had a nosebleed . . .

The way that show worked, if he did have a nosebleed, with blood
streaming down his face, they wouldn't have stopped the scene.

The Ghost of Sarah Collins

2005-08-15 01:02:03 UTC

Upon further and constant review of said scene it is now determined that
my brother was not as previously posted... picking but scratching his
nostril...

The Ghost of Sarah Collins (1784-1795)
Sister to Barnabas Collins

"That evil is wicked is well understood,
the wicked are punished so you must be good"
(Sarah to Barnabas)

Ubiquitous

2005-08-21 01:23:44 UTC

I'm torn between Jonathon picking his nose and changing out of his costume.

Picking his nose? On one of the episodes?

Yep. It was in a far shot with him off to the side, IIRC.
He gets a lot of ribbing about it at the conventions too.
Hmmm, it might be in the blooper reel...

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Marcovaldo

2005-07-19 20:59:14 UTC

Ah, Scottsdale, our ancient enemy (Arcadia grad here).
Dark Shadows was off by the time I got to ASU and watched TV in the MU.
:-(

Small world. I am also a grad of SHS and ASU. I still live in the area and
it is still hot as ever - the low was 91 yesterday. Must have been around 3
AM.

ANIM8Rfsk

2005-07-20 01:48:46 UTC

Ah, Scottsdale, our ancient enemy (Arcadia grad here).
Dark Shadows was off by the time I got to ASU and watched TV in the MU.
:-(

Small world. I am also a grad of SHS and ASU. I still live in the area and
it is still hot as ever - the low was 91 yesterday. Must have been around 3
AM.

You getting hit with these stupid microbursts? The last 2 nights have been
hell; it's like being in the tornado carrying Dorothy away. The one the
first night caused a fire (I have no idea how) about 50 yards north of us.
Yikes!

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a non working number to call to be removed, and the contact address on their
website is phony). This has been going on for a decade. Do not deal with
them.

Marcovaldo

2005-07-23 03:29:04 UTC

Post by Marcovaldo
Small world. I am also a grad of SHS and ASU. I still live in the area and
it is still hot as ever - the low was 91 yesterday. Must have been around 3
AM.

We may have some soon. Forecast is for possible thunderstorms everyday this
week.

I just came in from outside. It's dark, it's overcast ... and it STILL
frickin' hot!!!

ANIM8Rfsk

2005-07-23 14:04:11 UTC

Post by Marcovaldo
Small world. I am also a grad of SHS and ASU. I still live in the area and
it is still hot as ever - the low was 91 yesterday. Must have been around 3
AM.

We may have some soon. Forecast is for possible thunderstorms everyday this
week.
I just came in from outside. It's dark, it's overcast ... and it STILL
frickin' hot!!!

Got lightning last night but no wind for once. 5am today was weird though.
Whole outside was a rosy glow. Thought there was a fire . . . .

Tim

2005-07-23 14:07:09 UTC

in article

Post by Marcovaldo
Small world. I am also a grad of SHS and ASU. I still live in the area and
it is still hot as ever - the low was 91 yesterday. Must have been around 3
AM.

You getting hit with these stupid microbursts? The last 2 nights have been
hell; it's like being in the tornado carrying Dorothy away. The one
the first night caused a fire (I have no idea how) about 50 yards
north of us. Yikes!

We may have some soon. Forecast is for possible thunderstorms everyday
this week.
I just came in from outside. It's dark, it's overcast ... and it STILL
frickin' hot!!!

Makes you wonder why Laura left such a cozy little spot.

Tim

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ANIM8Rfsk

2005-07-23 16:43:20 UTC

Post by Tim

in article

Post by Marcovaldo
Small world. I am also a grad of SHS and ASU. I still live in the area and
it is still hot as ever - the low was 91 yesterday. Must have been around 3
AM.

You getting hit with these stupid microbursts? The last 2 nights have been
hell; it's like being in the tornado carrying Dorothy away. The one
the first night caused a fire (I have no idea how) about 50 yards
north of us. Yikes!

We may have some soon. Forecast is for possible thunderstorms everyday
this week.
I just came in from outside. It's dark, it's overcast ... and it STILL
frickin' hot!!!

Makes you wonder why Laura left such a cozy little spot.
Tim

She went somewhere warmer.

T***@webtv.net

2005-08-02 20:04:38 UTC

I would like to know if Dark Shadows will return to television. Perhaps
in a brand new series.

Tom

MDS*

2005-08-02 22:51:40 UTC

Post by T***@webtv.net
I would like to know if Dark Shadows will return to television. Perhaps
in a brand new series.
Tom

Minus Dan Curtis, it might have been. :-(

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Jim Heckman

2005-07-14 06:22:44 UTC