Idea for next Depp/Burton collaboration

[Diva Magenta]

I've been kind of obsessed with Andrew Lloyd Webber's "Phantom Of The
Opera" lately, after watchng (and later buying the DVD of) the 25th
anniversary performance at Royal Albert Hall that was filmed last year -
Ramin Karimloo is just breathtaking as the Phantom, and I just bought
his newly-released debut CD. What a voice...

Anyway, I was just thinking what an amazing job Burton and Depp could do
with this story. We already know Depp can sing from his performance in
"Sweeney Todd" and would undoubtedly be an amazing Phantom. Plus, HBC
would be delicious as the temperamental, melodramatic lead soprano
Carlotta (if they dubbed her voice with an actual opera singer), or as
Madame Giry. Not to mention that the gothic setting and dark, romantic
storyline is tailor-made for Burton.

The Phantom musical is so hugely popular, that another movie version
would hardly be out of place, despite the Gerard Butler/Emmy Rossum
version made several years ago.

I'd be first in line for this one! :) What do you think?

Diva

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[Kishin]

Post by Diva Magenta
I've been kind of obsessed with Andrew Lloyd Webber's "Phantom Of The
Opera" lately, after watchng (and later buying the DVD of) the 25th
anniversary performance at Royal Albert Hall that was filmed last year -
Ramin Karimloo is just breathtaking as the Phantom, and I just bought
his newly-released debut CD. What a voice...
Anyway, I was just thinking what an amazing job Burton and Depp could do
with this story. We already know Depp can sing from his performance in
"Sweeney Todd" and would undoubtedly be an amazing Phantom. Plus, HBC
would be delicious as the temperamental, melodramatic lead soprano
Carlotta (if they dubbed her voice with an actual opera singer), or as
Madame Giry. Not to mention that the gothic setting and dark, romantic
storyline is tailor-made for Burton.
The Phantom musical is so hugely popular, that another movie version
would hardly be out of place, despite the Gerard Butler/Emmy Rossum
version made several years ago.
I'd be first in line for this one! :) What do you think?

I think, apart from our shared love of "Dark Shadows," our tastes are
very different. The movie you propose makes me cringe just thinking
about it.

[Diva Magenta]

Post by Kishin
I think, apart from our shared love of
"Dark Shadows," our tastes are very
different. The movie you propose makes
me cringe just thinking about it.

LOL, no problem, that's what makes things so interesting around here,
we're all different! :)

Just out of curiosity, what was it that you don't like about the idea?
Do you not like Depp and/or Burton and feel they would trash Phantom, or
dislike Phantom itself, or like Depp/Burton and Phantom, but don't think
they would be a good match of star/director and project, or dislike both
the people and the project altogether?

(I know it's hard to convey "tone of voice" on usenet, so please don't
think this is asked in a sarcastic or defensive way at all, I'm just
genuinely intrested in what you said!) :)

Diva

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His favor. Christianity is the good news that God has reached out in
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[Kishin]

Post by Diva Magenta

Post by Kishin
I think, apart from our shared love of
"Dark Shadows," our tastes are very
different. The movie you propose makes
me cringe just thinking about it.

LOL, no problem, that's what makes things so interesting around here,
we're all different! :)
Just out of curiosity, what was it that you don't like about the idea?
Do you not like Depp and/or Burton and feel they would trash Phantom, or
dislike Phantom itself, or like Depp/Burton and Phantom, but don't think
they would be a good match of star/director and project, or dislike both
the people and the project altogether?
(I know it's hard to convey "tone of voice" on usenet, so please don't
think this is asked in a sarcastic or defensive way at all, I'm just
genuinely intrested in what you said!) :)

I'm a horror movie fan, and love various incarnations of "The Phantom of
the Opera," especially the silent one with Lon Chaney. But I'm not much
of a fan of musicals (with one or two very rare exceptions, including
"The Phantom of the Paradise," which was, ironically, a musical based
partly on The Phantom, but also on Faust). I kind of enjoyed "Sweeny
Todd," but would have liked it more without the singing. I like Depp as
an actor, and Burton certainly has talent, but sometimes they go places
I don't like. I was actually not hating their "Alice," till the Mad
Hatter did his anachronistic dance near the end. That almost made me
ill, and ruined whatever pleasure I had taken in what preceded it.

And my love for "Dark Shadows" comes from its horror aspects. I don't
like any other soaps. I would have rather seen the movie played
completely straight, with no humor, though I didn't hate it like I
thought I might.

[Diva Magenta]

Post by Kishin
I'm a horror movie fan, and love various
incarnations of "The Phantom of the
Opera," especially the silent one with
Lon Chaney.

Did you ever see that version with Robert Englund in the 80s? I saw it
but don't remember much about it, only that it was pretty bizarre! :)

Post by Kishin
But I'm not much of a fan of musicals
(with one or two very rare exceptions,
including "The Phantom of the Paradise,"
which was, ironically, a musical based
partly on The Phantom, but also on
Faust).

Ah yes, good old Paul Williams! I'm certainly aware of the film, don't
remember if I actually saw it or not, but have seen clips. I see that
someone has done a documentary about Paul's life, he's definitely a
gifted composer. Jessica Harper, who was in the movie, played Janet in
the Rocky Horror sequel, Shock Treatment.

I'm a huge fan of musicals, in fact when I thnk of my favorite movies of
all time, a great number of them are musicals. The Wizard of Oz,
Grease, Little Shop Of Horrors, Rocky Horror, etc.

Post by Kishin
I kind of enjoyed "Sweeny Todd," but
would have liked it more without the
singing.

The thing that put me off of Sweeney Todd was the over-the-top graphic
violence. Some blood is expected in a story like this, but it was just
too much to see a razor graphically slitting a throat and a waterfall of
blood flowing. I liked the story (a darker version of Little Shop) and
the music, but was turned off by the unnecessary gore.

I like a good horror movie, but preferably one with a good story, acting
and directing rather than an overreliance on graphic violence. The
Shining is one of my favorites, not graphically violent but powerful and
truly terrifing.

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"Religion is man's futile attempt to reach out to God, trying to earn
His favor. Christianity is the good news that God has reached out in
love to us through His Son, because He knows that our arms are not long
enough..."

http://divamagenta.webbywarehouse.com

[Kishin]

Post by Diva Magenta

Post by Kishin
I'm a horror movie fan, and love various
incarnations of "The Phantom of the
Opera," especially the silent one with
Lon Chaney.

Did you ever see that version with Robert Englund in the 80s? I saw it
but don't remember much about it, only that it was pretty bizarre! :)

Yeah, I've seen that one and Daria Argento's much maligned version
(which starred Julian Sands as the Phantom and Argento's daughter, Asia,
in a see through dress. That must have been awkward.

Post by Diva Magenta

Post by Kishin
But I'm not much of a fan of musicals
(with one or two very rare exceptions,
including "The Phantom of the Paradise,"
which was, ironically, a musical based
partly on The Phantom, but also on
Faust).

Ah yes, good old Paul Williams! I'm certainly aware of the film, don't
remember if I actually saw it or not, but have seen clips. I see that
someone has done a documentary about Paul's life, he's definitely a
gifted composer. Jessica Harper, who was in the movie, played Janet in
the Rocky Horror sequel, Shock Treatment.

It's a great, freaky movie. I remember dragging my father to see it in
the theater when it first opened. I recently watched it again for the
first time in years, and still enjoyed it. Paul Williams is a gifted
songwriter, and was great as Swan in the film. Seek it out if you can
handle a bit of freakiness.

Post by Diva Magenta
I'm a huge fan of musicals, in fact when I thnk of my favorite movies of
all time, a great number of them are musicals. The Wizard of Oz,
Grease, Little Shop Of Horrors, Rocky Horror, etc.

Okay, I do kinda like most of those, especially "Rocky Horror," but
that's all nice rock music, which I love. And it's full of freaky.

Damn, you're kind of taking the wind out of my sails here. Maybe your
fantasy Depp/Burton "Phantom" wouldn't be so bad, after all.

Post by Diva Magenta

Post by Kishin
I kind of enjoyed "Sweeny Todd," but
would have liked it more without the
singing.

The thing that put me off of Sweeney Todd was the over-the-top graphic
violence. Some blood is expected in a story like this, but it was just
too much to see a razor graphically slitting a throat and a waterfall of
blood flowing. I liked the story (a darker version of Little Shop) and
the music, but was turned off by the unnecessary gore.
I like a good horror movie, but preferably one with a good story, acting
and directing rather than an overreliance on graphic violence. The
Shining is one of my favorites, not graphically violent but powerful and
truly terrifing.

I love a huge range of horror movies, from one that show nothing (1932
"Dracula," which spilled not a drop of blood and Robert Wise's "The
Haunting," to some very gory ones, indeed. There are some I've seen that
are so appalling that I will not even mention them by name here. If you
thought "Sweeny" was bad, I have some that would probably kill you to
see them.

The funny thing about horror fans (and I know quite a few of them,
hanging out in alt.horror, as I do [and I would not recommend you going
there, dear Diva Magenta]): we are perfectly comfortable watching the
most horrendous things on screen, but are big (uh, trying to think of a
non-offensive word here...the one that comes to mind refers to female
genitalia) cowards when it comes to real violence. When I worked at CNN,
I had the opportunity to watch the video of that guy being beheaded by
Muslim terrorists. I could not watch it all the way through. Just the
sight of real blood, vomit or feces can make my gorge rise. When I watch
TV shows that show real surgery, I have to cover my eyes. Funny,
considering my mother is a retired ER nurse, and the horror stories she
used to tell when she came home from work. Irony, they name is "horror fan."

[Diva Magenta]

Post by Kishin
Damn, you're kind of taking the wind out
of my sails here. Maybe your fantasy
Depp/Burton "Phantom" wouldn't be so
bad, after all.

LOL, sorry to burst your bubble <g>

Post by Kishin
If you thought "Sweeny" was bad, I have
some that would probably kill you to see
them.

Oh yes, I'm quite aware of some of the stuff that's out there, not from
watching them, but reading about them. Back in the 80s, the Friday the
13th movies seemed so shocking. Now they seem incredibly mild compared
to the so-called "torture porn" of today. Even the "Saw" and "Hostel"
movies are almost antiquated now with things like "Human Centipede"...
<shudder>

I mean, yeah, darker stuff has existed for decades, but it was usually
more underground, not in the mainstream consciousness. Until
videotapes became prevalent, I imagine movies like "I Spit On Your
Grave" and "Last House On The Left" were probably pretty hard to find,
not easily found in most neighborhood theatres, and didn't get a lot of
publicity in mainstream media. Today, there are commercials for graphic
horror films everywhere, and even Entertainment Weekly reviewed "Human
Centipede 2."

Post by Kishin
we are perfectly comfortable watching
the most horrendous things on screen,
but...<snip>...When I worked at CNN, I
had the opportunity to watch the video
of that guy being beheaded by Muslim
terrorists. I could not watch it all the
way through

Yeah, there's a big difference between on-screen violence with the
safety net of knowing it's just a movie, and things that are real. It
reminds me of that scene in the very funny John Waters black comedy
"Serial Mom" where the two kids who worked at the video store and loved
to watch the goriest VHS horror movies they could get their hands on,
were shaken to the core to the point of tears when they saw an actual
murder and how real it was.


Diva

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His favor. Christianity is the good news that God has reached out in
love to us through His Son, because He knows that our arms are not long
enough..."

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[Kishin]

Post by Diva Magenta

Post by Kishin
Damn, you're kind of taking the wind out
of my sails here. Maybe your fantasy
Depp/Burton "Phantom" wouldn't be so
bad, after all.

LOL, sorry to burst your bubble <g>

Post by Kishin
If you thought "Sweeny" was bad, I have
some that would probably kill you to see
them.

Oh yes, I'm quite aware of some of the stuff that's out there, not from
watching them, but reading about them. Back in the 80s, the Friday the
13th movies seemed so shocking. Now they seem incredibly mild compared
to the so-called "torture porn" of today. Even the "Saw" and "Hostel"
movies are almost antiquated now with things like "Human Centipede"...
<shudder>
I mean, yeah, darker stuff has existed for decades, but it was usually
more underground, not in the mainstream consciousness. Until
videotapes became prevalent, I imagine movies like "I Spit On Your
Grave" and "Last House On The Left" were probably pretty hard to find,
not easily found in most neighborhood theatres, and didn't get a lot of
publicity in mainstream media. Today, there are commercials for graphic
horror films everywhere, and even Entertainment Weekly reviewed "Human
Centipede 2."

"Human Centipede 2" was pretty extreme, but I've seen much worse, mainly
Japanese and German films. Things that I will not even mention here
because they are so horrendous.

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I would suggest nothing for Tim Burton. The probably already has
enough projects in the pipeine to last until he reaches the age of
125.